doing a shop at a large church where I were told years ago, you're single, you're not welcomed here.

Johnb974 states--..............I were told years ago, you're single, you're not welcomed here.

Johnb974 then adds--Talk about not feeling welcomed.

Bob requests clarification--Were you, as you posted, TOLD you were not welcome or did you base your comment on how you FELT? Feelings, as we all are aware, are predicated upon the level of sensitivity of an individual. If you were not told, but only felt, it is my opinion you would still experience difficulty in being objective.

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@shopperbob wrote:

Johnb974 states--..............I were told years ago, you're single, you're not welcomed here.

Johnb974 then adds--Talk about not feeling welcomed.

Bob requests clarification--Were you, as you posted, TOLD you were not welcome or did you base your comment on how you FELT? Feelings, as we all are aware, are predicated upon the level of sensitivity of an individual. If you were not told, but only felt, it is my opinion you would still experience difficulty in being objective.

Going to a church as a single person
asking about any singles group than being told, the pastor disbanded the singles group because he didn't want to deal with them anymore and being told "We are a family church" is telling you you're not welcomed here as a single....what don't you get?
John, obviously the infinitives TO TELL and TO FEEL are synonymous to you. In addition, I do not agree with your conclusion you were being informed you were not welcome, but I do respect you interpreted the comment according to your personality..
@shopperbob wrote:

John, obviously the infinitives TO TELL and TO FEEL are synonymous to you. In addition, I do not agree with your conclusion you were being informed you were not welcome, but I do respect you interpreted the comment according to your personality..

Actually this is about you trying to cast the blame on me. You went to an old post to find something to blame me for. LOL
John, you are mistaken. In my attempt to be of assistance, you have totally misunderstood my action. I will, in the future, never again comment on one of your posts.
@shopperbob wrote:

John, you are mistaken. In my attempt to be of assistance, you have totally misunderstood my action. I will, in the future, never again comment on one of your posts.

works for me. Don't comment on my posts. LOL
@johnb974 Do you think it is possible something was lost in translation? Given that you spoke with the staff and not the Pastor directly? I know you said "That was from the Pastor. He did not want to deal with any Singles Group." I believe you heard that statement andwhen I hear it, I interpret it as he didn't want to be involved with the Singles Group Organization and not that he doesn't want to deal with singles going to that church.

Neither of us know the history of the Singles Group at that church, but perhaps the Pastor felt that the time spent organizing and low yield in turnout made the group not worth his time and trouble, but if someone wanted to volunteer their time in getting said group going he would not have a problem with it.

Isn't tt safe to say that many single people do get married at some point and they come from families?

I would do the shop. I am sure you can be objective.
@johnb974 wrote:

@shopperbob wrote:

John, obviously the infinitives TO TELL and TO FEEL are synonymous to you. In addition, I do not agree with your conclusion you were being informed you were not welcome, but I do respect you interpreted the comment according to your personality..

Actually this is about you trying to cast the blame on me. You went to an old post to find something to blame me for. LOL

YIKES!
Shopper Bob is THE most objective, not blaming person on this forum. If you THINK he is 'trying to blame you' or allowing an emotional response you seriously need to seek mental help. You've got some serious 'the world is against me' issues going on.
@viv0412 wrote:

@johnb974 wrote:

@shopperbob wrote:

John, obviously the infinitives TO TELL and TO FEEL are synonymous to you. In addition, I do not agree with your conclusion you were being informed you were not welcome, but I do respect you interpreted the comment according to your personality..

Actually this is about you trying to cast the blame on me. You went to an old post to find something to blame me for. LOL

YIKES!
Shopper Bob is THE most objective, not blaming person on this forum. If you THINK he is 'trying to blame you' or allowing an emotional response you seriously need to seek mental help. You've got some serious 'the world is against me' issues going on.
That is what he did. He wasn't there when this happened. It was very clear what the person meant. How else do you explain the pastor not wanting to deal with singles anymore?
@Momomomo wrote:

@johnb974 Do you think it is possible something was lost in translation? Given that you spoke with the staff and not the Pastor directly? I know you said "That was from the Pastor. He did not want to deal with any Singles Group." I believe you heard that statement andwhen I hear it, I interpret it as he didn't want to be involved with the Singles Group Organization and not that he doesn't want to deal with singles going to that church.

Neither of us know the history of the Singles Group at that church, but perhaps the Pastor felt that the time spent organizing and low yield in turnout made the group not worth his time and trouble, but if someone wanted to volunteer their time in getting said group going he would not have a problem with it.

Isn't tt safe to say that many single people do get married at some point and they come from families?

I would do the shop. I am sure you can be objective.

I was there, I saw the look on their face and heard the tone of their voice. Singles were not welcomed there. Clearly they don't want to deal with the issues of Singles. As a Christian I would not do this shop. By their standard Jesus would not be welcomed there.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2024 06:24PM by johnb974.
how many angels can we get to dance on the head of this pin?
NM1962,

The two reasons I visit this forum are to share experiences and to seek advice. John and I, through neither's fault, are at or near being diametrically opposed in thinking. His verbiage of me blaming him with an old post, indicates I may have "hit a nerve." It is my opinion, he would not profit from what I would advise.
@shopperbob wrote:

NM1962,

The two reasons I visit this forum are to share experiences and to seek advice. John and I, through neither's fault, are at or near being diametrically opposed in thinking. His verbiage of me blaming him with an old post, indicates I may have "hit a nerve." It is my opinion, he would not profit from what I would advise.

You said "John, you are mistaken. In my attempt to be of assistance, you have totally misunderstood my action. I will, in the future, never again comment on one of your posts."

Now you just did. How can we ever trust you again? LOL
John is absolutely correct. In my desire to respond to NM1962, I forgot I had mentioned I would no longer be posting to a thread he had started. I apologize for my error.
@johnb974 wrote:

@shopperbob wrote:

NM1962,

The two reasons I visit this forum are to share experiences and to seek advice. John and I, through neither's fault, are at or near being diametrically opposed in thinking. His verbiage of me blaming him with an old post, indicates I may have "hit a nerve." It is my opinion, he would not profit from what I would advise.

You said "John, you are mistaken. In my attempt to be of assistance, you have totally misunderstood my action. I will, in the future, never again comment on one of your posts."

Now you just did. How can we ever trust you again? LOL

I know the rules of this forum say you are not to insult someone personally, but John you are __________________________
Feel free to fill in the blanks. Don't you DARE go after ShopperBob again. Seriously, leave him the ________ alone! No one cares if YOU trust ShopperBob, pretty much every other person on this forum appreciates his (honest, unlike yours) contributions.
@viv0412 wrote:

@johnb974 wrote:

@shopperbob wrote:

NM1962,

The two reasons I visit this forum are to share experiences and to seek advice. John and I, through neither's fault, are at or near being diametrically opposed in thinking. His verbiage of me blaming him with an old post, indicates I may have "hit a nerve." It is my opinion, he would not profit from what I would advise.

You said "John, you are mistaken. In my attempt to be of assistance, you have totally misunderstood my action. I will, in the future, never again comment on one of your posts."

Now you just did. How can we ever trust you again? LOL

I know the rules of this forum say you are not to insult someone personally, but John you are __________________________
Feel free to fill in the blanks. Don't you DARE go after ShopperBob again. Seriously, leave him the ________ alone! No one cares if YOU trust ShopperBob, pretty much every other person on this forum appreciates his (honest, unlike yours) contributions.

Where did I insult anyone?
@viv0412 wrote:

@johnb974 wrote:

@shopperbob wrote:

NM1962,

The two reasons I visit this forum are to share experiences and to seek advice. John and I, through neither's fault, are at or near being diametrically opposed in thinking. His verbiage of me blaming him with an old post, indicates I may have "hit a nerve." It is my opinion, he would not profit from what I would advise.

You said "John, you are mistaken. In my attempt to be of assistance, you have totally misunderstood my action. I will, in the future, never again comment on one of your posts."

Now you just did. How can we ever trust you again? LOL

I know the rules of this forum say you are not to insult someone personally, but John you are __________________________
Feel free to fill in the blanks. Don't you DARE go after ShopperBob again. Seriously, leave him the ________ alone! No one cares if YOU trust ShopperBob, pretty much every other person on this forum appreciates his (honest, unlike yours) contributions.

Where did I insult anyone?
@viv0412 wrote:

@johnb974 wrote:

@shopperbob wrote:

NM1962,

The two reasons I visit this forum are to share experiences and to seek advice. John and I, through neither's fault, are at or near being diametrically opposed in thinking. His verbiage of me blaming him with an old post, indicates I may have "hit a nerve." It is my opinion, he would not profit from what I would advise.

You said "John, you are mistaken. In my attempt to be of assistance, you have totally misunderstood my action. I will, in the future, never again comment on one of your posts."

Now you just did. How can we ever trust you again? LOL

I know the rules of this forum say you are not to insult someone personally, but John you are __________________________
Feel free to fill in the blanks. Don't you DARE go after ShopperBob again. Seriously, leave him the ________ alone! No one cares if YOU trust ShopperBob, pretty much every other person on this forum appreciates his (honest, unlike yours) contributions.

Where did I insult anyone?
@viv0412 wrote:

@johnb974 wrote:

@shopperbob wrote:

NM1962,

The two reasons I visit this forum are to share experiences and to seek advice. John and I, through neither's fault, are at or near being diametrically opposed in thinking. His verbiage of me blaming him with an old post, indicates I may have "hit a nerve." It is my opinion, he would not profit from what I would advise.

You said "John, you are mistaken. In my attempt to be of assistance, you have totally misunderstood my action. I will, in the future, never again comment on one of your posts."

Now you just did. How can we ever trust you again? LOL

I know the rules of this forum say you are not to insult someone personally, but John you are __________________________
Feel free to fill in the blanks. Don't you DARE go after ShopperBob again. Seriously, leave him the ________ alone! No one cares if YOU trust ShopperBob, pretty much every other person on this forum appreciates his (honest, unlike yours) contributions.

Where did I insult anyone?
@viv0412 wrote:

@johnb974 wrote:

@shopperbob wrote:

NM1962,

The two reasons I visit this forum are to share experiences and to seek advice. John and I, through neither's fault, are at or near being diametrically opposed in thinking. His verbiage of me blaming him with an old post, indicates I may have "hit a nerve." It is my opinion, he would not profit from what I would advise.

You said "John, you are mistaken. In my attempt to be of assistance, you have totally misunderstood my action. I will, in the future, never again comment on one of your posts."

Now you just did. How can we ever trust you again? LOL

I know the rules of this forum say you are not to insult someone personally, but John you are __________________________
Feel free to fill in the blanks. Don't you DARE go after ShopperBob again. Seriously, leave him the ________ alone! No one cares if YOU trust ShopperBob, pretty much every other person on this forum appreciates his (honest, unlike yours) contributions.

Where did I insult anyone?
@viv0412 wrote:

@johnb974 wrote:

@shopperbob wrote:

NM1962,

The two reasons I visit this forum are to share experiences and to seek advice. John and I, through neither's fault, are at or near being diametrically opposed in thinking. His verbiage of me blaming him with an old post, indicates I may have "hit a nerve." It is my opinion, he would not profit from what I would advise.

You said "John, you are mistaken. In my attempt to be of assistance, you have totally misunderstood my action. I will, in the future, never again comment on one of your posts."

Now you just did. How can we ever trust you again? LOL

I know the rules of this forum say you are not to insult someone personally, but John you are __________________________
Feel free to fill in the blanks. Don't you DARE go after ShopperBob again. Seriously, leave him the ________ alone! No one cares if YOU trust ShopperBob, pretty much every other person on this forum appreciates his (honest, unlike yours) contributions.
Where did I insult anyone?
There was a MSC with the name Faith in it that did mystery shops at churches. I did two shops.

Do not read so much, look about you and think of what you see there.
Richard Feynman-- letter to Ashok Arora, 4 January 1967, published in Perfectly Reasonable Deviations from the Beaten Track (2005) p. 230
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