doing a shop at a large church where I were told years ago, you're single, you're not welcomed here.
You can make arguments for and against doing the shop.
If you don't feel welcome there, you have to assess whether you are unbiased, etc.
OTOH, the church staff may have paraphrased what you have taken as verbatim from the Pastor for all this time.
No big deal to pass on it and move on.
If you don't feel welcome there, you have to assess whether you are unbiased, etc.
OTOH, the church staff may have paraphrased what you have taken as verbatim from the Pastor for all this time.
No big deal to pass on it and move on.
@jgardn02 wrote:
You can make arguments for and against doing the shop.
If you don't feel welcome there, you have to assess whether you are unbiased, etc.
OTOH, the church staff may have paraphrased what you have taken as verbatim from the Pastor for all this time.
No big deal to pass on it and move on.
That was from the Pastor. He did not want to deal with any Singles Group.
There was another shop I did for a restaurant. It was an open audit at a franchise restaurant. I showed them the LOA for the audit. I was told by the manager he would not allow the audit. If the company wanted an audit done, they have to clear it through him first. I was asked to leave. Would you ever audit this restaurant again? Would you even go there to eat? I got paid for the shop anyway.
I would probably not do the job because my feelings about the church would be bias. In the back of my mind, I would be making them have to "change my mind" before even walking in.
Shopping Arkansas, Louisiana, & Mississippi.
As for the restaurant, I would not hesitate to shop it again.
You got paid. For all we know, the shop might be about how (or if) confidential information is released.
You got paid. For all we know, the shop might be about how (or if) confidential information is released.
Johnb974,
Regarding the church shop. Do you feel you could objective and unbiased?
With the restaurant shop, Perhaps that manager no longer works there for whatever reason? Especially after they got the report he wouldn't let you do the audit.
Most open audits I've done the managers are well away they are coming. If there is no manager on-site, the person in charge would call the manager to find out.
It might have been the franchise owner that knew he wouldn't pass the audit, not an actual manager.
Regarding the church shop. Do you feel you could objective and unbiased?
With the restaurant shop, Perhaps that manager no longer works there for whatever reason? Especially after they got the report he wouldn't let you do the audit.
Most open audits I've done the managers are well away they are coming. If there is no manager on-site, the person in charge would call the manager to find out.
It might have been the franchise owner that knew he wouldn't pass the audit, not an actual manager.
Unless you really need the fee I would not do the shop. Why cause yourself such pain over this? Do you really need the stress and aggravation- is the fee worth it? Unless you are desperate for cash I would pass.
@jgardn02 wrote:
As for the restaurant, I would not hesitate to shop it again.
You got paid. For all we know, the shop might be about how (or if) confidential information is released.
The shop just asked for pictures of the table settings, pictures of the pictures on the wall, pictures of posters. The company just wanted to see how the restaurant was set up.
@ArkLaMissshopping wrote:
I would probably not do the job because my feelings about the church would be bias. In the back of my mind, I would be making them have to "change my mind" before even walking in.
I agree
I did one gas station audit where the LOA said (to the manager)...."If you refuse this audit, we will cut off your gas supply".....that is exactly what it said on the LOA.
I would definitely do the shop, being as unbiased as possible. I can only assume that practices such as the one you mentioned have hurt their membership and they are looking for objective feedback. As you say, it was "years ago". Something drew you to this church initially and you may be pleasantly surprised. Worse case, your feelings are validated and you get paid to find that out.
I would do it with no qualms. It sounds like something not to get personally offended by even though you may not have liked it. It wasn't targeted at you as an individual, but to all single people as a group.
Depends - what are you "shopping" at a church? Is it an audit of their business office? If so, that should be a non-emotional engagement so I'd say go for it. Is it to attend a Sunday service and evaluate the quality of the sermon? If so, that might be challenging to be objective and non-emotional, and perhaps best to pass.
You can also find the church's religious leadership on their website, so take a look and see if the pastor who offended you in the past is still there.
You can also find the church's religious leadership on their website, so take a look and see if the pastor who offended you in the past is still there.
I suggest you check their website to see what ministries they have. Maybe the head pastor moved to another church and they have a singles ministry again. So you could do the shop, happy to know that.
If they still do not have a singles ministry, reread the other replies as there are suggestions both ways, some why you'd want to do the shop and others why you wouldn't. Take them into consideration along with the fee and the time commitment to help you decide.
Can you see the guidelines before committing to the shop so you'd know what things you need to assess? Would that help in your decision?
If they still do not have a singles ministry, reread the other replies as there are suggestions both ways, some why you'd want to do the shop and others why you wouldn't. Take them into consideration along with the fee and the time commitment to help you decide.
Can you see the guidelines before committing to the shop so you'd know what things you need to assess? Would that help in your decision?
@LindaS wrote:
I suggest you check their website to see what ministries they have. Maybe the head pastor moved to another church and they have a singles ministry again. So you could do the shop, happy to know that.
If they still do not have a singles ministry, reread the other replies as there are suggestions both ways, some why you'd want to do the shop and others why you wouldn't. Take them into consideration along with the fee and the time commitment to help you decide.
Can you see the guidelines before committing to the shop so you'd know what things you need to assess? Would that help in your decision?
The same Pastor is there. I talked to a couple tonight who said he's still there.
I’ve never heard of mystery shopping at a church, but now I’m so curious. What are you evaluating there?
...Inappropriate religious values discussed here. Hate has no home. Yada, yada, yada.
MS aside, I'm trying to get over the fact that a Church doesn't allow singles.
May I ask the denomination? That's pretty shocking. Maybe it's why they're being audited.
May I ask the denomination? That's pretty shocking. Maybe it's why they're being audited.
Each shop is based on that visit. Good or bad experiences on other visits don't enter into it .
When a flower doesn’t bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
Alexander Den Heijer
Alexander Den Heijer
@maverick1 wrote:
...Inappropriate religious values discussed here. Hate has no home. Yada, yada, yada.
It's not about hate, it's about your experience at a place that gave you bad service.
@KA047 wrote:
MS aside, I'm trying to get over the fact that a Church doesn't allow singles.
May I ask the denomination? That's pretty shocking. Maybe it's why they're being audited.
This is a Christian church. It's not that they don't allow singles, it's about a pastor who made it clear he does not want to deal with singles and their issues. The site says it's a business audit. I've done audits for this site before....car repo, home offices....why a church I don't know.
@johnb974 wrote:
@KA047 wrote:
MS aside, I'm trying to get over the fact that a Church doesn't allow singles.
May I ask the denomination? That's pretty shocking. Maybe it's why they're being audited.
This is a Christian church. It's not that they don't allow singles, it's about a pastor who made it clear he does not want to deal with singles and their issues. The site says it's a business audit. I've done audits for this site before....car repo, home offices....why a church I don't know.
Sounds like a Trendsource business audit (I-9 maybe)
Has nothing to do with the quality of sermon/ welcoming nature of the church.
Do you ever think maybe you misinterpreted the inquiry previously? There is a huge difference in not welcoming single people in church and not wanting a ministry directly for singles.
Maybe there was an issue in the group previously so the pastor said no more. Doesn't mean you're not welcome to worship there.
There isn't a singles or couples ministry at my church (Roman Catholic). There are events like bingo, trivia night, summer festival, fish fry during Lent, etc and everyone is welcome.
I have done business audits at churches. One was because they wanted to hire a new staff member for their daycare. I can't remember what the others were for. Any organization that wants a credit report, a hiring report, or anything else that is subject to the Federal Fair Credit Reporting Act needs to go through a company for the report, and the company is the one requesting the audit. I have gone to police departments and the questions are the same including the one about doing something illegal. My advice is to just do it.
@johnb974 wrote:
@KA047 wrote:
MS aside, I'm trying to get over the fact that a Church doesn't allow singles.
May I ask the denomination? That's pretty shocking. Maybe it's why they're being audited.
This is a Christian church. It's not that they don't allow singles, it's about a pastor who made it clear he does not want to deal with singles and their issues. The site says it's a business audit. I've done audits for this site before....car repo, home offices....why a church I don't know.
Shopping Southeast Pennsylvania, Delaware above the canal, and South Jersey since 2008
I know. I know. I'm just echoing the progressive left. You're used to that in Cali, right John? Maybe numb to it? 
@maverick1 how did your comment echo the progressive left ? (Me)
When a flower doesn’t bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
Alexander Den Heijer
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Many years ago I called a synagogue and asked some general questions about getting married there. When the receptionist learned I was not marrying a Jewish person, I was told I could not have my wedding there. Fast forward 15 years and my uncle introduces me to his friend the rabbi. Turns out he is the rabbi of aforementioned synagogue. My uncle and cousin invite me to come to some service there and I tell them if I can't get married there, I'm never stepping foot in the place.
im thinking the same thing. is it a chain church?
@FrugalCat wrote:
Many years ago I called a synagogue and asked some general questions about getting married there. When the receptionist learned I was not marrying a Jewish person, I was told I could not have my wedding there. Fast forward 15 years and my uncle introduces me to his friend the rabbi. Turns out he is the rabbi of aforementioned synagogue. My uncle and cousin invite me to come to some service there and I tell them if I can't get married there, I'm never stepping foot in the place.
Many churches won't preform a marriage ceremony if both parties aren't the same religion. That's to be expected as *most* ceremonies have some language about committing yourself not only to your spouse but to God as well. The Priest, Rabbi, Pastor wants to make sure you BOTH will be honoring those commitments
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@nellybean212 wrote:
im thinking the same thing. is it a chain church?
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